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Paul Kingsnorth's avatar

Thanks for engaging with my talk.

There is plenty to argue about here (not least the jaw-dropping assertion that Christ was not in favour of renunciation!) but argument is rather futile beyond a certain point, I think. I have responded to some of my critics here, and much of what I wrote also applies to your arguments:

https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-vagabond-king

The only thing I would add is a response to the notion that these ideas are 'protestant.' I would say the opposite (and it's notable to me that most of my critics seem to be protestants.) The protestant shattering of the Church brought Christianity down into this-world with a bump. Protestantism invented modernity, and led repeatedly to attempts to build the kingdom of God on Earth - which is what puritanism represents.

You are right to say that I have a lot of sympathy with the likes of Winstanley (I wrote about that here last year: https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/and-did-those-feet). They were trying to live a Christ-like life in the midst of power-worshippers who only spoke of Christ for worldly reasons.

But I am an Orthodox Christian, and everything I wrote is entirely in line with Orthodox theology (which I studied for two years). Read almost any of the eastern church fathers and it will become apparent: just one page of St Isaac the Syrian should do it. The Orthodox know better than anyone what icons are, after all. We are stumbling towards theosis, not towards the city of God on Earth. You may choose to believe that God's plan involves progress from a garden to a city, but that's little more than modernist ideology in disguise, in my small opinion.

But as I say, I appreciate the engagement. All the best to you.

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Stephen Weller's avatar

wonderful and brilliant! thanks for writing this father.

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